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Post by Mauro on Sept 21, 2003 15:33:13 GMT -5
i, I was taking a peek at dermagraphics.com a I as wonering about their black inks ... first, why do they have outlining inks and shading inks? What's the difference between an outlining ink and a shading ink? Also, haven't tested any of these before, any recommendations between the choices of:
1. Black Pelican,
2. Kuro Sumi
Thanks a lot, I appreciate your time, and your response!
-Mauro
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Nightliner
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Post by Nightliner on Sept 22, 2003 12:41:25 GMT -5
They sell outlining ink, and shading ink to make money.
Kuro sumi is used primarily for lining, though I find it to be very messy, it is very black. Personally, I'd rather use Talens to line with.
Pelikans is another drawing ink as are the others, with a slightly different temperment, and hue. I use it for all my grey wash.
There really is no difference, pigment wise in a liner, or shading ink. It's the dilution that makes the difference. The more "watered" down the ink, the lighter the tone value. So, you can take Talens, Pelikans, Kuro sumi and thin them down in varying dilutions and create different shades of grey. Keep in mind though, that it takes a great deal of time to become competent at grey shade tattooing.
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Post by dwood on Oct 1, 2003 19:02:00 GMT -5
When you refer to Pelikan drawing ink, is that stuff sold in stationary stores. Also, if it is drawing ink, is it sterile or safe? Just wondering. I picture them making drawing in not so sanitary conditions.
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Post by HAZROK on Oct 4, 2003 0:44:48 GMT -5
A good idea when getting your feet wet with black and grey,is to "pre-mix" several differant graduations in 2 oz. pigment bottles. start out with 15% water to black ,then 30% water to black etc etc.. this will keep your tones consistant and reduce the confusion facter.work in small areas at first dont try and tackle huge areas of graduated tones. experiment with differant water/ink ratios until you get the effect that you want.
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Post by pirate dee on Jan 5, 2004 5:07:08 GMT -5
here s another trick use destealed water when cutting your ink...a lil somthing i learned from Creeper
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Post by Mark on Jan 8, 2004 13:42:24 GMT -5
The pigment particules are smaller in Pelikans than in Talens, so greys washs are a bit smoother. I order Pelikans online, so I don't know if it's the same as the art store brand, but tattooists have been using drawing inks for a long time, and as there is no government regulated tattooing ink, I don't know what else you could use.
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Post by drew on Jan 13, 2004 7:08:08 GMT -5
or u can use witch hazel or glycerin
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Post by opaque on Jan 15, 2004 15:00:16 GMT -5
i've used the pelican which was ok for outlining the talens was a bit bolder on the outline side but it always seems to break down the stencil. kuro sumi is ok .
i use hucks outlining ink cause its cheap in bulk than pelikan. I use mario barth's intenze black for tribal it can get a bit sticky though. For grey wash i just dillute my lining ink with rub. alcohal.
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Post by slug on Jan 17, 2004 14:57:41 GMT -5
why alcohol and not distilled water???
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Post by Mark on Jan 18, 2004 17:40:11 GMT -5
Feel the burn; rubbing alchol seems a bit harsh if you're cutting it for a wash. Distilled water, or witch hazel.
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Post by opaque on Jan 18, 2004 19:41:47 GMT -5
you know i havn't had any one complain about the rub. alch. but when doing wash i keep my paper towel pretty moist with green soap, but I'll switch and see if anyone notices a difference. thanks for the advice mark hey think maybe i'm ready for those passcodes? lol i'm just playin i'm all about working my way up.
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Post by Rockeye on Jan 19, 2004 22:15:02 GMT -5
Witch Hazel is the way to go..Not only does it thin out your ink nicely for grey wash, witch hazel is an astringent which helps in keeping the red out of the tattooing process. It makes it alot easier to see what progress youre making that way..Just a thought..
Rockeye
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Post by sett on Feb 13, 2004 21:44:16 GMT -5
Regardless of what you thin your black with for grey wash, Pelican contains a biocide which causes tissue errosion. For this reason, some boil it. Personally, I think Talens is better all around anyway. Some say it has a grainier look, which it tends to when mixed in the ink cap. This can be somewhat avoided by pre-mixing your grey values and giving it a chance to mix and break down a bit.
And a really nice, soft grey can be be achieved by adding white. I've never tried it but have seen it done in both Japanese and traditional styles and it looks great.
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Post by bootyman3000 on Feb 20, 2004 11:05:08 GMT -5
talen drawing ink (white label) is all you need.
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Post by Jbonez on Mar 12, 2004 21:41:38 GMT -5
Kirosumi for lining, Pellicans for grey-wash. The Kiro can definately be a bit messy (hard to clean up) but the results speak for themselves (super dark). As far as the pellicans vs. talons goes, nicer tones and smoother transitions occur with the Pellicans for me.
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